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Shangri La Diet
Quote this post and reply to it Post#1 @ 05-13-06 , 04:47 AM


Heard of the Shangri La diet yet?
http://www.sethroberts.net/

I'm pretty sure it won't take long before you will.

After reading the book, I'm pretty sure it is the cure to being overweight...

After the discovery of Leptin, which scientists hoped would result in a pill to stop people from getting fat, it was clear that the body had a setpoint, and no matter what you did to lose weight, your body was "set" at a higher weight. When scientists saw that giving Leptin injections didn't work, they started to lose interest. But the trick with Leptin is that it's your body's way of knowing if you have "enough" weight. Too much Leptin did NOT signal the body to lose weight.

Ever since then, unless a diet addressed setpoint, I knew the diet would not work. Well finally Shangri La addressed the right point, and essentially Seth Roberts provided a pill against obesity.

Here's the book on Amazon:
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You've done this Gil? I still (still!) have about 20 lbs of baby weight to lose...hmmmmm.....


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Re: Shangri La Diet
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I do too! I feel like I am working too hard at losing weight and getting frustrated. Did anyone see Rebecca Ray on Oprah yesterday? I don't know how she stays so little with all the food she cooks! She uses alot of EVOO in her recipes. (extra virgin olive oil) hmmm...got me thinking... maybe she's onto something!~Ronda

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Re: Shangri La Diet
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Gilbert I've just spent an hour reading the site, and I'm game to try it. I am confused by some stuff, but will get the book this afternoon....
Maybe a collection of DTers could be a case study

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I just started it. Has already basically "fixed" my cravings. Something that no other diet/scheme/exercise has ever, ever, ever done...

It sounds like a fad. Sounds totally wacky. But the science is as solid as can be. I highly recommend this one.

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I do too! I feel like I am working too hard at losing weight and getting frustrated. Did anyone see Rebecca Ray on Oprah yesterday? I don't know how she stays so little with all the food she cooks! She uses alot of EVOO in her recipes. (extra virgin olive oil) hmmm...got me thinking... maybe she's onto something!~Ronda


That's not why she stays little. She wrote a book w/ 365 recipes a year. It's the flavor/calorie connection. Having a new flavor a day will blunt your setpoint. (She has the same agent as Roberts BTW, and his agent is now working on putting the two together and perhaps writing/doing something together).

Here's some reading for the science:

http://www.freakonomics.com/pdf/wha...fattening.pd f

http://www.sethroberts.net/science/index.html

and check out how people are responding to the diet:
http://boards.sethroberts.net/

Very few saying it isn't working. I only saw two so far. Both were already pretty skinny. I believe for many people it will allow you to go even lower than you probably want to go. But if you don't have a setpoint issue, it will be less effective. Or if you are severely obese, you can use it to take you most of the way, but the last little bit will have to be tackled w/ other techniques. Like resistance training and food logs.


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Re: Shangri La Diet
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Gilbert I've just spent an hour reading the site, and I'm game to try it. I am confused by some stuff, but will get the book this afternoon....
Maybe a collection of DTers could be a case study

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Re: Shangri La Diet
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Tell us about it Gil, what do you do. You can eat anything but drink oil a couple of times a day? Does it matter what kind of oil? Can it be flax seed oil?


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Tell us about it Gil, what do you do. You can eat anything but drink oil a couple of times a day? Does it matter what kind of oil? Can it be flax seed oil?



You need to take 100-400 calories a day in either:

1. Flavorless oil. This includes Canola Oil. Extra Light (tasting) Olive Oil. Extra Light (flavor) Olive Oil. Most oils will probably do the trick (NOT extra virgin olive oil).

or

2. Sugar water. No lemon added. Nothing with flavor. Fructose is fine. Sucrose is fine.

You may break down your dose any way you want. Any time of day.

HOWEVER, no flavor an hour before or after the oil/SW. No mouthwash. No toothpaste. No flavor whatsoever.

I suggest Oil because it's healthy. However the first few days it may give you a stomach ache and a headache. Don't know the cause of the headache but apparently it will stop happening after a few days. The cause of the stomach ache is that your body doesn't secrete all enzymes, only the ones you need. It takes a few days until your body "knows" that you will be ingesting the oil regularly and start "preparing" for the oil by secreting the enzymes. Anyone who has done Atkins probably heard of this effect. Digestive enzymes taken w/ the oil the first few days will probably help the stomach ache, though make sure it has no flavor.


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Re: Shangri La Diet
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So do you think flax seed oil has too much taste and wouldn't be suitable?

P.S. Brad said it sound like you make yourself sick so you don't want to eat.


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So do you think flax seed oil has too much taste and wouldn't be suitable?


Oh forgot to mention that. Some people are debating that question. You can always try it. If it blunts your appetite, go for it. If it doesn't, try another option.

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Re: Shangri La Diet
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Haha Brad...

THere's one theinng that seems contradictory at first glance. On the one hand, it says to eat flavorless so that your brain thinks there's no abundance, and lowers your setpoint accordingly. On the other hand, it claims you can still eat whatever foods you want (=flavor), which he say will make the brain think that there IS an abundance....and therefore raise your setpoint.

Therefore: Doesn't eating whatever you want cancel out the effect of the flavorless calories you're taking in??

However, I'm very interested in trying this too. I plan on getting the book today, and starting ASAP.

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Therefore: Doesn't eating whatever you want cancel out the effect of the flavorless calories you're taking in??


Yes. Here's the trick. If you send your body a signal to lower your setpoint AND a signal to increase it, your setpoint will be in the middle. (It actually works different than that but I'm saying it this way for the sake of explanation.)

The way many people eat now, almost everything they eat raises the setpoint. So doing the above will help them lose weight.

I do think if you have a crappy diet and don't take advantage of the reduced cravings to improve your diet, you will be less healthy and it will be less effective.

All that said, the constant cravings makes you do all kinds of subtle things that you won't feel the need to do when they go away.


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Ok Gil I've read it cover to cover!!! have these ?s still, which if you can't answer I guess I'll have to ask on the other site..
* Even coffee/tea has to wait an hour either before or after oil/sw?
* is protein (steak, chicken, fish) considered ditto food when you always cook them the same way (broiled or barbequed)?? if so, does changing spices help with that??
* Bottled salad dressing usually has both oil and sugar in it. What kind of havoc does it play or does it?

that's it for now. thanks, Irish


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A. Maybe. I tried two different brands of flax oil. Both worked, as far as I could tell. But flax oil seems to me more flavorful than ELOO, canola oil, or safflower oil. Perhaps its flavor will eventually become associated with calories. Another disadvantage of flax oil is that it is much more expensive than the other oils, about forty cents for 100 calories.



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Ok Gil I've read it cover to cover!!! have these ?s still, which if you can't answer I guess I'll have to ask on the other site..
* Even coffee/tea has to wait an hour either before or after oil/sw?


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-Yes it does.
-Spices does help with that too.
-Even so, you don't have to worry about all of it. Just doing the oil will do the trick. The other stuff is extra. (I guess you noticed that from the book but this is to make sure people coming into it new don't get confused.)

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that's it for now. thanks, Irish


Salad dressing has flavor. You CAN mix oil and sugar, but if there's flavor then that won't count.


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Actually it's the easiest thing in the world. Buy Extra Light (tasting or flavor) Olive Oil. When you wake up, ingest a tablespoon. Don't eat for an hour. Do the same before bed. Make sure not to eat 1 hour before. You can actually mix this up to fit your schedule, but that's just one simple way of doing it.

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I'm still at "winter weight" here in May. Ugh. Five pounds wasn't so hard to get rid of at age 25 but at mid forties it's really tough. But I just got over an ankle injury and got new running shoes, so I think I'll up my mileage first. (Runner Bills was having a mother's day sale)

If it doesn't work, I may give this a go. But I HOPE it works. I'd rather run.

You know, I just wrote some stuff for Pfizer about the Flavor Point diet. This sounds like a similar strategy. Z, is it similar to that?


I don't know if I'd call it exactly similar, but it explains why the flavor point diet works. It also explains a lot why Low Carb is pretty effective....

You can do any diet routine you want with this. Just view it as an effective appetite suppresant that stops those signals in your head pushing you to eat.


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I got the book yesterday too...haven't had a decent block of downtime to read it yet...but I plan on starting it today. I'll wave to Brad with the cheeseburgers


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It is definately intrigueing enough to try. I read all the reviews on Amazon so count me in as one who will do it too!!! I will keep you posted how well it is working for me!~Ronda

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Well land-sakes-alive I took my first gulp last night before going off to Z-ville. I lived . I only did an oversized tsp. of oil though, and although it was weird, I didn't hurl as I thought I might.

I haven't taken anything yet this morning because CAFFEINE must be mainlined for a bit before coherent thought kicks in .....ttfn


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Did my oil this morniing. Kind of icky, but like Irish I lived too. I was a mean machine and shot the whole 2 tbsp, however...

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Hmm, this sounds very interesting! I'm ordering the book today. We'll see...

I went the site Gilbert linked, went over to the forums, and was amazed to see that there is another "Widget" out there in Cyberland! (She capitalizes the W) Then I noticed that a certain "Gilbert Z" had posted "hi" to her!

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That's funny - I saw (W)idget there too, and she replied to 2 of my posts. I was SURE that was you!!


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Has anyone suggested taking oil capsules if the prospect of downing oil is unbearable?

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Has anyone suggested taking oil capsules if the prospect of downing oil is unbearable?


GREAT question/suggestion, TG! Why didn't I think of that??

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