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Went to a jeweler that carried a Gabi diamond, 105facets. 1ct, I color VS2, it was 7025 bucks. You can get a H&A for about 4500 with the same grade. I can say i wasnt impressed, it does seem to sparkle more, but not as bright as a H&A round. Plus i thought it just looked too busy inside the diamond. Im sticking with the traditional 58facets.

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These special cuts pop up every so often but never seem to survive or gain market share over the standard 58 facetted RB. I agree to stick with that.


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ROKTOY, was it the "Zoe" that you saw (their limited editon round cut)? Or the regular round Gabrielle? In either case, they are VERY expensive! I did think the "Zoe" was extremely unique -- looked light fireworkds going off IMO. The pricing for the "Zoe" was even more astronomical (no pun intended) -- I think that for the "Zoe" in a 1 carat, Flawless, D color, it was something like $60k!!! Who would spend that kind of dough on a 1 carat stone? It is extremely unusual and unique and beautiful, but I think it is an awful lot of money for that size stone!

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No it was not one of those limited edition 100 facet ZOE diamonds, its the 105 facet one. I agree, maybe just paying for the name and rarity of having a cut that is different.

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Very, very limited quantity, unique
faceting pattern, and of course the
famous name of Gabi Towlkowsky.

I don't think this was designed to capture the mass market.

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Very, very limited quantity, unique
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I don't think this was designed to capture the mass market.

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Gabi Towlkowsky does cut unique
and very beautiful diamonds that are truly dazzling and one of a kind.

Who really knows, Maybe that's what J-Lo really wanted from Ben?

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I've noticed that more and more unique trademarked cut diamonds are being offered. Of course it all means a substantial mark-up to the consumers.



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Who really knows, Maybe that's what J-Lo really wanted from Ben?

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I don't think J-Lo knows what she wants, period.


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You can say that again!




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Hi Roktoy,

The Gabrielle Diamond was developed by Gabi Tolkowsky, because he felt that there was room to improve the amount of light that can enter the diamond, and reflect back to the eye.

By adding 8 more crown facets and 40 facets at the pavilion, the Gabrielle Diamond exhibits a "halo" effect that makes the crown seem to shine brighter in comparison to other equivalent-sized diamonds.

Therefore, as you move the diamond further away, this results in an optical illusion that the diamond looks bigger.

This diamond was created to be very dazzling and very brilliant. Therefore, you see a lot more "sparkles" (as you mentioned) or scintillation, compared to a normal ideal-cut diamond.

The Gabrielle Diamonds are all entirely hand-cut, and therefore production of these beautiful diamonds are not very large. They also take roughly 1.5 times longer to cut, compared to a normal ideal-cut diamond.

I think part of the reason for the higher price of the Gabrielle Diamond you saw was also due to the ever-strengthening Euro, as the Gabrielle Diamond is cut in Belgium.

All Gabrielle Diamonds come also with a personalized certificate from Gabriel Tolkowsky.

It is also important to keep an open mind on new developments. If everyone feels the way rodentman does, than Marcel Tolkowsky's ideal-cut would not have taken hold since 85 years ago.

You can stick with the safe and tested, or break new ground. No matter what, it is most important that you as the potential wearer like what you see. If the diamond looks beautiful and sparkly in your eyes, that is all that matters.

Hopefully, the information above will give you a better understanding of the Gabrielle Diamond.

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It is also important to keep an open mind on new developments. If everyone feels the way rodentman does, than Marcel Tolkowsky's ideal-cut would not have taken hold since 85 years ago.

You can stick with the safe and tested, or break new ground. No matter what, it is most important that you as the potential wearer like what you see. If the diamond looks beautiful and sparkly in your eyes, that is all that matters.


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does anyone have a picture of these cuts? I'd like to see one for myself. The other day, I had a chance to see a 5+ ct HOF in person, and thats the only fantastic/specialty diamond I've seen (the flanders doesn't count), but omg...


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How do you upload pictures? I tried doing it, but was given this message:

"Please make it no bigger than 700 x 0"

The picture was within the 102,400 byte limit. Some help, anyone?

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Re: Looked at some Gabrielle diamond, wow they are expensive
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Its the big debate all us jewellers talk about I guess, does the brilliant cut diamond need more brilliance? I have hearts and arrows diamonds in stock and I also have Gabrielle's, holding them side by side, in my preference would be Gabi's Diamonds. I had the pleasure in meeting Gabi for the first time in september, I find alot of comfort in buying from a cutter I trust.
They are marginally more expecive, but more diamond has to be cut to acheive the added brilliance. Hearts and arrows diamonds are exquisite dont get me wrong and yes you pay a premium for these also.
EG: Gabrielle .78ct E Vs2 $7450
H&A .78ct E vs2 $7150
Gd/Gd cut .78ct E Vs2 $6800
So three simular stones three different cuts three different prices. for the extra few dollars id prefer the really sparkly diamond! But im a very fussy Jeweller

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Gabrielle Diamonds have 3 times as much scintillation as Ideal-Cut
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Hi bjc113,

I agree with you.

Also, Gabrielle Diamonds have been shown to exhibit 3 times as much scintillation compared to Ideal-Cut diamonds. This was verified in a light study done by a company in the US.

Therefore, if you place an Ideal Cut diamond or a Hearts & Arrows Triple-EX diamond next to a Gabrielle Diamond, you will find that the Gabrielle will outsparkle it under bright OR low light conditions.

Anecdotally, we have found that the Gabrielle Diamond facetting increases the amount of light entering, reflecting, and exiting the diamond, making the diamond appear up to 2 grades "whiter" and up to 2 grades "clearer" to the naked eye.

We have placed a Gabrielle Diamond side-by-side with an equivalent Ideal-Cut diamond, and found this to be true in most cases.

This would enhance the value of the Gabrielle Diamond vis a vis an Ideal-Cut or a Hearts & Arrows diamond.

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Re: Looked at some Gabrielle diamond, wow they are expensive
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A picture just wont do it, you really need to see it for real and do the comparison. When selecting diamonds at Gabis workshop, you dont actually get to compare the Gabrielle to RBC, but when you do get them both together the difference is almost indescribable. I think my most memorable diamond experience ,although it was only a replica was the centenary diamond, sure I had the chance to view big sized real stones, but to see the size of this thing and feel it's weight was just incredible. Gabi didnt so much talk about the science behing the rock he described the ora, and the way it made everyone smile unbeknow to its pressence.
You can actually get other shapes in the Gabrielle also, his version of the emerald cut is incredible, there is also pears, carre, cushion, heart, oval. Gabi also cuts a Seashell Diamond, it doesnt have the flaire other diamonds do, he facets the stone cutting as little as possible to retain the size.
The Centenary Diamond BTW weighs 273.85cts its the world largest D flawless diamond
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Re: Looked at some Gabrielle diamond, wow they are expensive
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Hi,

Check this picture out.




This picture is taken as a comparison in light return between a Gabrielle Round diamond and a H&A diamond. Notice the strength of the light return, as shown in the intensity of colour, of the Gabrielle Diamond.

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