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a very deep 1.77 princess (79 depth) H to a clarity enhanced 2.25 princess F with say, a 69, depth....all other factors equal? Just curious.

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No. I haven't liked the sound of what can go wrong with clarity enhanced stones from what I've read here.


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Are you concerned that the face-up size is small for the weight?
I do not think that I would trade for a larger clarity enhanced because of that. If I were extremely displeased with the current stone, I would just take my time looking until I found a replacement that I liked...but if you really love the look of the clarity enhanced stone and think that it will bring you happiness, go for it.

I would just have concerns about the stability of the treatment and it's resale value (unless that one is a keeper).

Funny sidebar -
There is a jeweler nearby that sells clarity enhanced diamonds (usually 1.5 carats or more), and one of their advertisements says something like "She's perfect - shouldn't her diamond be?" and mentions the brand of their enhanced stones.

All I can think of when they say enhanced - is breast implants, botox, and collagen injections. Like the slogan should read - "She's enhanced - shouldn't her diamond be, too?"

It just makes me chuckle.

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"She's enhanced - shouldn't her diamond be, too?"

It just makes me chuckle.





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Which radiant do u like better???
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Hi all...going on the #s alone...(I don't have crown info yet...)...pick one!....all GIA radiants...my eyes are going to be the judge...but in any event...

1.53 G VS1, 66.9 depth, 64 table, Medium girdle, $8873.00, 6.37X6.72X4.26 (square radiant) ...

1.51 G SI1, 64.9 depth, 62 table, thin to slightly thick girdle, 7.63X6.19X4.02
$7,381.00...

Also, I am obsessed with mms....is such a small difference visible?

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What's more imp? Color or scintillation...Shallow Crowns...
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Hi all. Can you help me here. I am looking at a radiant that in all other respects looks good but has a poor crown angle (8.9)...(I haven't seen it yet)...does that explain why on the Sarin..it has through the roof white light and scintillation but really poor colored light??? What is more important? (don't say we should strike a balance!!!! I'll hurt you... ) If you HAD to choose...which would be more important? Could you have a real dud with high color light return? Could you have a real keeper with low colored light return???? Grooowwwwiiinggggtttiirre edd!

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Sorry it's taken this long for you to get a response. Usually this is the kind of question that gets several answers almost immediately.

Having no idea of your level of diamond expertise, I'll answer with some basics, first with some terms and what they mean. If you know this stuff, just skip ahead a bit.

Dispersion is what causes the flashes of spectral color, or the little rainbows, that come from a stone. As light travels through a diamond, one end of the spectrum moves faster than the other, causing white light to seperate. This is the diamond as a prism.

Brilliance is the brightness of a stone caused by the reflection of white light from inside and outside surfaces. This is the diamond as a mirror.

Scintillation is defined as the flashes of light and dark seen in the stone when you, the stone, or the light source are moved. This is really what makes a diamond look lively when you rock it back and forth.

Obviously, variations in cut and proportion are responsible for higher and lower numbers in a given catagory. In the case of your radiant, with the really low crown angle and extremely high brilliance, my guess is the stone has a huge table, probably over 80%, but a fairly well cut pavilion. The pavilion is the part of the stone below the girdle and is most largely responsible for overall light return. The amount of dispersion, or fire, is most related to the crown, the part of the stone above the girdle. As a very general rule, the smaller the table, the higher the colored light return. A smaller table causes light to bounce around more inside the stone. The further the light travels, and the more facet junctions it hits, the greater the amount of seperated color leaves the stone. Too small a table will have a negative effect on brilliance, however, as this increases the chances light will leak from the pavilion, girdle, etc.

Here's the dreaded "balance" you don't want to hear about. What you appear to have is a stone with a very large table that's going to give you wonderful brilliance, but show little dispersion. If that's what you want, then great. You should be able to pick up such a stone at a fair discount. As far as which is more important, brilliance or fire, that's up to you. Get out and look at some stones and find the "balance" you like best.

My recommendation would be to pass on this one and find something with a better crown angle and a table more in the 60-65% range. This will give a very bright stone, but still provide plenty of color.

Best of luck and please let me know if I can be of further help.

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Hey captain thanks for the response!!! But the funny thing is...it had a depth of 64.9 and a table of 64!!!! Ideal!!! But I paid a visit to GOG today and Jonathan explained that with the more 'shallow' stones, that may happen!!! ( I think that's what he said! I was just standing there drooling....That stone was from DBOF but unfortunately, I passed on it. I say unfortunately b/c Jan was so wonderful to me. So patient!!!! I actually went with another from GOG. Jonathan was amazing too!!! My hubby wanted to use a local store..(we are in NY) The depth is a 61.9 and the table was 64.2 (if I remember correctly) The stone IS AMAZING on the eyes!!! I am so exited. I believe my radiant will be the radiant poster child for radiant shapes on GOG!!! Want my autograph? LOL . The crown heigght was over 30 so I am a happy numbers camper. But I think the best bit of advice came rom myhubby who asked...."F" the numbers...do you think it's pretty???" LOL... And OMG, I can't say enough about Johnathan- besides being SOOOOO personable, he was very patient and honest...Just love him!!! I almost jumped over the counter to hug him when leaving the store!!!

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...."F" the numbers...do you think it's pretty???"


This, is above all else, the best advice anyone could ever give. And as I've said here before, despite a lot of people's jumping up and down about 'ideal cuts,' numbers can never tell the whole story. Go out . . . look at some stones . . . find what YOU like. Which is just what you did.

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Here's a site that I've looked at many times, they have a great line-up of ring designers under the "Check out a Hot Designer" link.

http://www.r8w.com/

Not sure what exactly you're looking for, if you gave more details about what you're interested in -- solitaire, pave, side diamonds, modern, antique, etc., maybe more people would respond.

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I didn't realize you got the radiant at last.

Specs, please.
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LOL!!!! I got it at GOG (love that lifetime upgrade...already thinking! lol)...Haven't picked it up yet and I don't have the cert with me, but it is a GIA 1.5 G eye clean si1...Its got faint flourescence (which I love, b/c I think it helps make it look whiter!)... I believe the depth is 61.9 and table maybe 64.9...so the sucker looks nice and big. Its 7.64? X 6.6?... Crown 32...girdle is very thin (I can live with that) to medium...I am USELESS...I will have to check the cert! The sucker could NOT have scored better on the brilliance scope...the J man said he's gonna use a pic of it on the site!!! Yippee!!! I'm excited. I just can't decide on the setting and band. I have my big juicy princess wedding band but will probably wear it on the other hand ....and do a pave band!!!!

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aah..good choice! Though you cant go wrong with any of his stuff.


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Anyone out there know the price of the Scott Kay silver collection double heart (puff) diamond toggle necklace. Whew. Say that one 10 time.

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What size trapezoids for radiant center stone?
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What size trapezoids would you do for a 7.64 mm (length) center radiant stone. I saw 5.8 mm trapezoids at americanfancies.com. What do you guys think of that size? Too big/small?

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A little birdie told me that that radiant is 7.63!!!!! X 6.19!!!!! Maybe exactly what the dr ordered???

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Help me with side stones!!! ppuuulleeezzz!
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OK. If I have a radiant that measures 7.64 in length...what should the length mm of my side stones be. I want to use trapezoids and have them as big as possible to make a three stone but do have a budget. Thanks!

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luluhb, do you have stones you can play with to get an idea of the look you want?? Can your jeweler get in some in different weights/sizes so you can get an idea?? I was trying to do the same thing about a year ago with my oval diamond. But the trillions my jeweler offered were much too small. There was my oval in the middle and then the small trillions on the sides and the ring looked lopsided. I feel you need BIG ones....to make an icey look across the finger...if I'm reading you correctly? Look at trapezoids as long as or slightly less length as your radiant and work from there. Pay attention to color match...It's more important that BOTH trapezoids match each other than it is for them to match your center stone. Of course they should all be close...but this could give you some "play" as to cost...

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Just a thought: Try playing with cz traps first. Of all the cuts of cz's they happen to be the most realistic in my opinion. However, they are hardly ever desired as a center stone, but if you're thinking side stones, maybe that's one way to save heavily on budget??

Wink has some wonderful colors too - from E to fancy color diamonds to match or compliment your center diamond.

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3.00 $4.26
4.00 $5.10
5.00 $5.70
5.50 $6.54
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But to answer your question here is a fine example of what you are doing. Proportion looks good to me & again, use of cz sides.

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Those look great. I'm not real crazy about the trillions, though. I love the traps. Does Wink have cz traps too? Also, my stone is a G (faint flourescence...maybe a little white face up...but no "E")....That one is a good ex....a 9 mm length mm with 5.5 trillions. So if a center stone is 7.64...should I go no bigger than 6 mm with a side stone to save room for prongs...or should it go smaller?

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