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Hoping someone could give me some guidance...

I am in the process of evaluating a loose stone offered by an "insider" on 47th St / NYC.

Specs are:

7.08 x 7.20 x 4.39 mm
1.36 carat
Depth: 61.6%
Table: 60%
Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted
Culet: None
Polish/Symmetry: both Very Good
Clarity: SI1
Color G
Fluorescence: None

Any thoughts on an appropriate / fair "wholesale" price? While I've been asked to list the quoted price here, my thoughts are that it will bias the responses to my question. I will be happy to post the price in 24 hours or so after I receive some responses.

Thank you

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Hi mgdelman,


If you would like,

please tell the fine people of DT
the asking price of this stone.
And I'm sure that many of us will try to
help you understand if the cost
is to high, to low, or just right for
a diamond of this size an quality.


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Kirk - I don't want to bias any responses by "suggesting" a price. I'd be happy to post the price tomorrow...but for now, i'd like to entertain honest and unbiased responses.

Thanks!

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Quote this post and reply to it Post#4 @ 01-08-03 , 02:18 PM


Hi mjdelman,


No problems whatsoever!

The reason I asked was because,
many folks will probably pop up and
give you a fair comparison of pricing structures.

You could always go to the diamond ring page of
this forum and do a price comparison yourself.

But I would still reccomend that whatever you decide,
it would still be a good idea to have your stone checked
out by an independent appraiser.

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Prices for a stone with these data can vary about 25%, when I am buying in the real wholesale-market.

It depends on the following:
- which lab report?
- how good is the colour?
- how correct is the SI1-assessment?
- which colour of inclusion?
- which location and which kind of inclusion?
- how does the cut really look?
- how are the proportions?
- is the unroundness the only flaw n the cut?
- how old is the report?

And then, there is the big question about the 'insider'. His mark-up can also vary considerably.

In total, impossible question to answer.

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Okay, the quoted price is $6300. Does this seem reasonable?

The certification is GIA, dated 12/8/02.

Why wouldn't the crown and pavillion data be on the GIA "Diamond Grading Report" which I received? Is there a more complete report that I should have received?

What is HCA?

Thanks all for your advice and feedback.

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Quote this post and reply to it Post#7 @ 01-09-03 , 12:20 AM


I think that the price is fair!
If you purchase over the net you have the advantage of not paying sales tax if you buy out of your state!!
there are similar stones on the net
"shop and compare"

best of luck

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Originally posted by mjdelman
Okay, the quoted price is $6300. Does this seem reasonable?

The certification is GIA, dated 12/8/02.

Why wouldn't the crown and pavillion data be on the GIA "Diamond Grading Report" which I received? Is there a more complete report that I should have received?

What is HCA?

Thanks all for your advice and feedback.


Hello,

I'll try to answer some of your questions:

1) GIA certs do not have crown and pavillion data. This info would be on a sarin report.

2)HCA is Holloway Cut Advisor as seen here http://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp
Many people believe this is a helpful tool in determining the quality of their diamond purchase.

Good luck.

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how can gary possibly know that the cut quality isn't excellent without first having the crown and pavillion angles?? i have seen many stones with the same tables & depths get excellent (below 1) on the hca.

why the pessimissim? is there something in the numbers i;m missing?

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Quote this post and reply to it Post#10 @ 01-09-03 , 07:47 PM


oh, ok that makes sense then. I've actually been asking if someone could do that w/ my diamond - already set and no % info because gia cert. would you mind running it and telling me if there is even a CHANCE that the diamond has good porportions? i'd really appreciate it, and theres no risk of getting wrong advice because i already own it and like it, but just am VERY curious how the actual numbers may stack up:

1.2 carat
6.81-6.86-4.17
table: 60
depth: 61
girdle: medium-slty thick
cutlet: none
sym & polish: very good

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thank you so much for running those numbers! i had been asking for that info for so long - but was told that the range of possible angles would be too great to be helpful in anyway. thanks for figuring that out - i really appreciate it.

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just one more question - are you saying that it is EITHER: p41 & c36 OR p41.5 & c34? both those combinations give me hca scores in the 4-5 range (not 2 like you thought), but the stone definitely performs better than that. do you mean the c can range from 34-36 and the p can range from 41-41.5? if thats the case then the hca scores go up(down) to 1.

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i htink i may have mentioned earlier - i already own the stone, so yes, i am attached to it and it is of sentimental value, which is of course the most important thing. because my bf bought it thinking that the info on the gia cert was enough, and because it favorably compared to many stones from very high end stores (tiffanys, cartier, etc), and looks good in many different lightings, we were both very happy with it and thought it was, objectively, an excellent stone. by the time we learned about angles, etc. it ws already set, and i do not have an interest in unsetting to get a sarin report, because no matter the results i would want to keep the diamond. that being said, i am extremely curious to find out exactly what the cut is like now that I have learned so much more about diamond cut. hence, my question to you about trying to determine the angles. i have been hesitant to get an idealscope thinking that because the diamond is set (6 prong setting), it would be of limited use. perhaps i am wrong and that is the way to go.

thanks for all your help. i do want to understand the info you have provided though - limited as it may be: do your numbers represent all ranges or do you mean to say there are only those two possibilities? from my limited knolwedge i was surprised that a stone with 61 depth and medium to slightly thick girdle could have a combination of such large cr & pav angles, but i guess i am still learning?

thanks again.

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Quote this post and reply to it Post#14 @ 01-12-03 , 03:39 PM


thanks for that message. its easy to become obsessed with the intracies of the diamond cut & the quest for the perfect diamond and lost sight of whats really important. also, there is beauty to be found in most if not all diamonds even the "non-ideal".

i do still appreciate your info - will defeintiely be helpful for any possible future purchases!

thanks.

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