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Prices cuprian elbaite?
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Hello all, I have a 3.87 Trillion cut Purple cuprian elbaite. I paid 400.00per ct. They say this stuff is selling for 16,000.00-36,000.00 per ct. What is everyones perspective on this?

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Re: prices cuprian elbaite
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myvideotalk,
paraiba tourmaline is pretty distinct in it's color and as far as I know purple isn't it. But I'm no expert, so I'm really curious. Does your stone have a grading report?

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Yes the stone comes with a cert. I have not recieved it yet i just bought it. Purple is the rarest of the cuprian elbaite family. I bought it on DSN TV. They purchased 90% of all the available matierial.

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They say this stuff is selling for 16,000.00-36,000.00 per ct. What is everyones perspective on this?



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My perspective is that it's worth about $400 per carat. When anyone says that a gem is worth something they're either buying, selling or gabbing. Who says it's worth $16,000 per carat ? Probably the folks who sold it to you I'd guess. If it's worth so much, then why on earth would they sell it for so little ? Nah, I think that they made out pretty well to get $400 per carat for it. Maybe if they talk it up enough it'll eventually get to $16K, but it'll be a while. The stones that are so valuable are the ones that are copper bearing and look like frozen Windex. I also think that the only ones that have sold for those huge prices are the very best of the best, in both size, color and clarity.

Those purple tourmalines do look attractive though. Maybe you could post a picture when you receive it ?


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Re: prices cuprian elbaite
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I will post a picture when it comes in. The GIA has said that all cuprian elbaite is now considered POD. I talked to a friend of my dads who is a wholeseller of fine gems. He said that the stone I purchased wholesellers are buying for 20,000.00 per ct. So not sure what is true or not guess time will tell.

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Re: prices cuprian elbaite
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My view is that money is nothing but talk until you have it in your hand. If your Dad's friend thinks that it's worth that, make him a real deal at $16K per carat and see what he does then. If he buy's it....then he's right, if not, well then it's worth less than that...at least to him.

Buying and selling gems can be a very tough business and sometimes you get lucky, but usually there's been at least a hundred other people that have passed over what you are considering, so luck is not nearly as important as skill at knowing your market or creativity at changing what you've got into something more desirable. I wish you luck and look forward to seeing pictures of your treasure !


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Re: prices cuprian elbaite
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boy Did I say Pod. I Have POD on the Brain. I meant Paraíba Tourmaline.

Yah I know IT s all talk till you sell it i know.

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I always chuckle when watching the gem shopping channels, and they tell you some stone is worth $10,000 but they will sell it to you for $500. And then go what a great deal...and that you could sell it to your jeweler for a huge profit. Well if the stone is really worth $10,000 then why don't they sell it for that?
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Re: Prices cuprian elbaite?
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Hello all, I have a 3.87 Trillion cut Purple cuprian elbaite. I paid 400.00per ct. They say this stuff is selling for 16,000.00-36,000.00 per ct. What is everyones perspective on this?

Chris Carpenter


Chris: Check out this.True Paraíba copper-bearing tourmaline is extremely rare, and as such, is very expensive ($15,000 to $40,000+ per carat) when compared to other varieties. The intense blue color, referred to as "neon," "windex," or "swimming-pool blue," is the result of significant amounts of copper which is not normally present in tourmaline. Secondary coloring agents found in Cuprian elbaite are ferrous iron ( Fe2+), manganese (Mn), gallium (Ga), bismuth (Bi), calcium (Ca), and zinc (Zn). There was also a purplish variety of Paraiba that is now virtually non-existant. Send to GIA for that info and ask for a replacement price. Good Luck, Gemgirl

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Re: Prices cuprian elbaite?
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You got (may-be copper bearing) purple tourmaline probably from Mozambique, which when heated sometimes goes neon blue/green.

It sells for 400 all right if clean and well colored.

Now, here is the bad-karma plan:
You heat it (with only 25% chance that it goes well), then you tell nobody and smuggle it into Brazil. There you sell it as Paraiba with 1000% profit.

If that buyer finds out it is heated Mozambique stuff and he is a real Brazilian gemtrader, you are probably executed before you can leave the country.

There are quite a few Brazilians playing that game, flying back and forth between Bangkok and Rio. But as a gringo it is a bad idea.

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Re: prices cuprian elbaite
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Yes the stone comes with a cert. I have not recieved it yet i just bought it. Purple is the rarest of the cuprian elbaite family. I bought it on DSN TV. They purchased 90% of all the available matierial.

Chris


Before I bought anything from DSN, I'd read their reviews. I got ripped off by them...if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Buyer Beware.

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